Field of Dreams - Making Grown Men Cry Since 1989

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There's so much to say.

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And neither knows how to say it.

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They're sharing little moments,

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and they're about to hold off.

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It's so fucking beautiful.

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It really is.

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I have just created something

totally alive.

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Circle. Him. You melded.

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You will come.

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If you feel what is him

and that happens to

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is your invoices.

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Ray is.

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Did you hear the voice two?

Did you hear it?

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Go the distance?

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This field.

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This game.

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reminds us all that once was good.

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Hey, is this heaven? No.

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It's Iowa.

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I have been in, in situations

and I've met people

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who who don't like baseball at all.

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I find it incredibly boring and therefore

they just won't take it at all

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seriously because, you know, they want to

or they won't give it a chance.

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And I mean, this is a different situation

because we bring movies to each other

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and we understand, like

these are meaningful experiences to us.

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But like, if, you know,

if you just talk like, oh the baseball

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It may be obvious to

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anybody who knows it is Virgo season,

but who?

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Moran's field of dreams and why?

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The person who's watched it

for 34 years on their birthday brought it.

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Yeah.

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I brought it because this is the movie

I've watched almost every year

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since I've turned. It was either 20 or 21.

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But for the most part, I watch it either

the night before or the day of. Why?

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So when I was in college,

I had this friend named Mark Charity,

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and he and I had the same birthday,

he was the first friend I made there.

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when I saw it with Mark

when he asked his father

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if you wanted to have a catch,

I inexplicably started to cry.

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Inexplicably,

I feel like that's the whole crying point.

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Yeah.

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it was the way he said it.

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It was the way his voice choked up

that I was like, I was.

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I was a puddle. so. Oh.

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So I was really shocked

by my response to it. So.

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And we did it again this the next year And

then, and then I just started to do it.

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Field

of Dreams moves at the speed of baseball.

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to achieve something truly poetic.

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Field of dreams is a movie

that is dripping

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in sentimentality,

but in the best possible way.

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Field of dreams doesn't shy away

from how complicated love is,

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but it's smart enough to not hit us

over the head with it either.

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Field of dreams is an enormous test of.

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Do you have any childlike

wonder left in you?

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it isn't like I'm watching my relationship

with my father play itself out.

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It's the way the movie works is so magical

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that it gets to that point and I'm

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I'm I'm a blubbering mess. I'm.

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You can tell

when somebody is writing an email

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and they're crying

while writing the email.

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I know you can't see their faces,

but you can tell

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when somebody is writing an email

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and they are crying

while they were writing you.

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The email.

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I agree, I was like,

it's a movie about baseball, but it's not.

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It's about building a field, but it's not.

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We don't even see it.

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The field just goes up and looks gorgeous.

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It's about farming,

but it's definitely not.

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You know,

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it's like,

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how does this man who's never owned

a farm, who then, like, leveled

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half of it has have the most gorgeous corn

you've ever seen?

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But they're also still broke and, like,

are they even harvesting it?

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Because it is,

it's like gorgeous and like,

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they have all this caught,

but they're they're bankrupt.

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But it's because, like, are they not like

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picking their

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corn like, and yeah, it's

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about fathers and sons, but it's not like

we don't even see the dad as dad.

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We see a dad is a young man,

and only at the end.

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which is like a really strange

framing to have a whole film on.

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So it's like about that,

but it's also not about that.

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When I was a kid, I was a huge Detroit

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Tiger fan,

My dad had grown up watching the Tigers.

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It's.

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He took my brother

and I to, to the games,

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and we we watched and listened to it

on the radio all the time.

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And I would

I would just go to baseball diamonds

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and hang out and wait for games to start

or or or play with my friends.

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You know.

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I just loved playing it.

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I love the way the game looks.

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I like baseball diamonds.

I just really like to be around it.

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when I was a kid,

I lived and breathed that.

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And then after I became interested

in theater, I sort of dropped it.

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Like I dropped off.

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I think in 1994, I read a book

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called October 1964,

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I read this book, and it exposed

this really human side to the game.

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To me,

that that that was really fun to explore.

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And so I just started

reading baseball books

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after that and,

and became more enmeshed in the history.

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And, and we found the love for the game.

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what did you know about the movie

going into Field of Dreams?

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Had you seen this movie before?

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Like, did you.

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I thought I have, I think I have,

I would have seen it when I was little,

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and I know I had talked to Cole about it

and I was like,

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it's just a really good movie.

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Like, I don't remember it,

but I remember that it's very good.

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And then I watched it, and every single

second of it was a surprise.

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I knew that there were like

these like lines, right?

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That got repeated.

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Like, if you build it,

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they will come or he will come,

Yeah, surprised the whole time.

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right? It it's a one line wonder.

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The only thing I knew about it

was if you build it, that's it.

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They will.

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And I knew it incorrectly, because. Yep.

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It's. He will come.

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If you build it, he will come.

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I was looking for experts

to give us context

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or background of why

baseball is so important.

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I got dozens of very macho man

writing back.

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Yeah, crying at their keyboards.

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Where they have to speak about

Field of Dreams.

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It did.

It had such an impact on the men's.

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I think that's all you need to know.

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Yeah. No,

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Oh, since we're talking names,

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could you say the say your full name

that you'd like to be announced as, sure.

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Patrick Tate Fleming.

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My last name is tape space Fleming.

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Because I took my son's mom's last name,

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and she took my, And you people are like,

is that your middle name?

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Tape?

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And I'm like, no,

my middle name is Reagan.

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But no.

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Like a solid 1980s baby.

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Not like Ronald Reagan,

like Reagan from The Exorcist.

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Reggie. Yeah. And, from the.

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I am Jaclynn and I'm a 1980s baby,

and I'm named after Jaclyn Smith,

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the Charlie's

Angel. So there you go. Yeah.

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And Cole, who are you named after?

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Cole from Days of Thunder. Oh.

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Is that true?

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There's no way that.

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So you made that up to fit in? I did

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listen. To the way Cole talks.

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His parents did not, did Oh, man,

I thought I, I had it there.

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I was like, that was him.

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That's not a movie I've ever seen.

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But I had the cassette soundtrack.

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I totally thought in your email was like

a stage name email with the tape in it.

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Like, that was like, whoops.

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It does it it yeah, it does

have a real like, this band guy.

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Yeah. And convenient. Yeah.

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Do you want to have Patrick

read the email?

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would, I would like that

because I think hearing it quoted back,

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you have a poetic ness about your writing.

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Let's see if I can find of hear.

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Hey, Cole.

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I dove into the podcast

and started listening to the Princess

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Bride episode, which is so great.

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It got me thinking more deeply about why

Field of Dreams has always hit me so hard,

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personally, and I thought I'd share this

little tidbit with you before we talk.

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If we end up talking, what's interesting

is that my father's life

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kind of mirrors

Moonlight Graham story in a strange way.

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My dad was a professional umpire

in the early 70s.

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At the time,

he was actually the only umpire in triple

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AA who was also teaching

at the umpire school in Florida.

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he was really respected and was considered

somebody

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who was going to make it

all the way to the majors.

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I even have this little booklet

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from the school where it says,

Michael will go all the way.

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But then his father died

suddenly of a heart attack

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and my dad had to make the decision

as a 23 year old, to come back to Iowa

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to run the family printing company,

So he never made it to the big leagues.

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what is wild

is that all of his contemporaries

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and close friends from umpire school

eventually did make it.

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He was right there with him,

but life pulled him in another direction.

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I think that's probably part of why

Field of Dreams affects me so deeply.

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there's something so beautiful

and heartbreaking about unfinished dreams

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and the way life

ask people to sacrifice for one another.

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And now that my dad has passed away,

the Little League fields

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I grew up

playing on are actually named after him.

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So I think about him all the time

when I'm out there coaching kids.

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It's funny because the older I get,

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the more Field of Dreams

feels less like a movie about baseball

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and more like a movie about fathers

and sacrifice, legacy

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and how dreams somehow continue

through other people,

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even if they don't happen

exactly the way you imagine them.

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Anyway,

I just wanted to share that with you

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because your podcast

really got me thinking about all it again.

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Talks in.

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When we're each of us in

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and when we're each of us out

for Field of Dreams.

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I was in at the at the exposition.

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it did the thing that I like,

like I felt like it wrote

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the first three episodes,

threw them out, and then, like,

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made it into,

like a pretty snappy voiceover montage.

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My name is Ray Kinsella. I'm 36 years old.

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I love my family, I love baseball,

and I'm about to become a farmer.

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Everything felt so cozy, like it was.

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I don't want to be a farmer.

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I don't, I don't want a man

who's like off on his own dream.

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Like what a nightmare to be his wife.

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But honestly I was like, I want to crawl

in this movie and live in it.

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It felt like, what a great relationship.

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Even though I was also

like, God, she is patient.

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Like, yeah.

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I could never be.

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But it was.

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It's so cozy.

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I when I was in,

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when Amy Madigan, I gave him permission

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to build the baseball field

and also seemed like she meant it.

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Yeah. It was.

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I appreciate

I appreciated the dynamic that they had,

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even though also like, good God.

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Robbie, what's the number

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one thing that you want to say

about Field of Dreams?

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Okay. So happy.

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What I love most about it

is that it moves at the speed of baseball,

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which and and the more I watch it,

the more I appreciate

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how it transcends the parts of it

that don't work

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and achieves

something much bigger and more poetic.

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that moves at the speed of baseball.

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I like I it really is like

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that conversation that we had with Patrick

about this really hit home about

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You know, I think that you never.

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The second you have no idea

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what it feels like until you've lost,

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a father or, a mother or,

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sibling or, you know,

or even a partner or whatever. And,

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and just having.

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I think most people would give it all up

to have the, the one more day,

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right, with the, with the one that they,

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you know, loved the most or whatever.

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And I think this movie

does such a good job

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of fulfilling that fantasy

or fulfilling that, that dream.

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it's a, it's a thing that

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that we passed down

from generation to generation.

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And this movie really puts it

in perspective of,

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of connecting, to your dad

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and getting that one more,

that one more time just to play catch

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or to us go the distance with them

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and just

and just see the world through their eyes.

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My father's name was John Kinsella.

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suppose dad did the best

he could instead of Mother Goose.

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I was put to bed at night.

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The stories of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig,

and the great Shoeless Joe Jackson.

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Dad was a Yankees fan,

and so of course, I rooted for Brooklyn.

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But in 58, the Dodgers moved away.

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So we had to find other things

to fight about.

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We did, and when it came time to go to

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I think the thing about baseball

that is so unique

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is that it's generational,

you know, that it's passed down

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Sure.

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Correct.

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Right.

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So how I came to love

the game was basically

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how I came to love

the game was basically through my father.

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my father and I shared a special bond

with baseball.

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And my late

father also had worked in television.

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My dad was a sales guy.

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He wasn't on the air, but as a little boy,

he would bring me

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to the local CBS station

in Hartford, Connecticut, where I grew up,

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and I got to meet the sportscasters.

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So sports, particularly baseball,

baseball has always been

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my favorite sport

because of my relationship with my father.

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my late father died in in 1999, and

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a year before

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that I was about 26 years old,

living in San Diego.

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I was working at a radio station

part time, I'm not rich, but I'm not poor.

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I think I'm going to go see

as many ballparks as I can.

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And you know what?

We went on that first trip.

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If you build it,

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they will come.

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I went to the Field of Dreams

with my brother.

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In fact, I have a picture of me

and my brother when I went to the field,

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the dream site, you could just pick up

a bat and play, and my brother and I did.

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I got a picture even on my website, Mr.

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Sports travel.com.

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Now, since then, I ended up

sort of in my dad's memory,

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finishing all 30 ballparks

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about six months

after he died at the end of the 99 season,

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it meant a lot to me to do it because on

the 98 trip, I was calling my dad.

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I didn't have a cell phone,

so I was calling my dad from the hotels.

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Dad, I'm in Minneapolis.

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And then from there at springboard, where

I've seen baseball all over the world.

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So that's kind of how I got started.

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there were times when we would go

to a Minnesota Twins baseball game

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and my dad would call

his old umpire buddies and be like, hey,

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we're coming to the game.

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You know, it'd be fun to see you

and the and the professional umpires

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would invite us down to the umpire room

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and, you know, whatever,

my older sister would be there.

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So they would be like,

are you proper or, you know, like.

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And they would be like,

I mean, they're like boxer shorts

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and they'd be rubbing the baseballs

before the game because they rub

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like 80 some baseballs

for every game with Mississippi mud.

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It's like mud

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that only comes from this little area

right off the Mississippi River.

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And they rub baseballs.

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And they rub baseballs.

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And it was great to hear these guys

telling old stories about my dad.

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Oh, your dad,

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and,

when when he got into that umpire room

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with them, they all, like, snapped back

and it was like he was one of them.

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He wasn't like the data

for who runs this printing company.

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And of course he was.

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He lit up, you know, it was like

he was with his his buds or you know, it's

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probably like you like how my son sees me

when I get together with my old band

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mates or something, you know, it's like,

oh, yeah, you have that pact,

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Now that I think about this trip,

I remember, you know,

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they're not even having a phone.

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that it was pure,

kind of like the movie Field of Dreams.

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So I had a great time Today

I look back on all the travels I've done.

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I've seen sports and like 176

different countries and territories

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around the world.

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I still go back to that trip, but I think

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the thing about Field of Dreams

that is so unique is that

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it's a living,

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breathing thing

that you can go to the Field of Dreams

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movie site,

which I've been to three separate times.

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and it's it's a sense of community.

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It is an experience.

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: 00:17:35

And that's what's different

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than other most other movies

where you don't have a movie.

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: 00:17:40

And then it's it's still a living,

breathing organism.

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: 00:18:08

Well, but the difference

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: 00:18:09

So your experience

is actually quite normal

335

: 00:18:12

because many baseball fans have that

aspiration of wanting to see all 30 parks.

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And most of them, if you ask them

how many went to I, about six.

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: 00:18:20

And, so you did pretty good.

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: 00:18:23

And you're not even a fan.

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: 00:18:32

I feel like a kid,

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: 00:18:33

honestly, when I go to a baseball game,

even now, to say that you were there.

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: 00:18:38

I've been to the World

Series, have been to All-Star games.

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: 00:18:40

I've been to the World Baseball Classic,

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: 00:18:42

I've been to every baseball

that you can think of,

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: 00:18:47

it's really fun hearing so many people

talk about their love for it.

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: 00:18:50

And then

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: 00:18:52

embracing that.

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: 00:18:56

Cole, what about you?

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: 00:18:57

What's the one thing you want to say

about Field of Dreams?

349

: 00:18:59

x and y and Z happens,

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: 00:19:04

and there's no questioning it.

351

: 00:19:06

Half of it didn't have any motivation

that in my mind.

352

: 00:19:10

But I was like, great,

this is what we're doing.

353

: 00:19:12

He's built a stadium.

354

: 00:19:13

They're on a road trip. Great.

355

: 00:19:16

He's kidnaping a famous off author.

356

: 00:19:19

That was fun, right?

357

: 00:19:21

And maybe the famous author is a ghost.

358

: 00:19:25

Great.

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: 00:19:25

I don't know. But.

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: 00:19:30

There was something serious

I wanted to say to,

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: 00:19:34

Some people have lost parents

without closure,

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: 00:19:40

and that,

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: 00:19:43

I think, importantly, most people

can easily imagine losing a parents,

364

: 00:19:50

because, you

365

: 00:19:50

know, it's everyone's

going to eventually be lost.

366

: 00:19:53

And so I think most people can imagine

losing a parents without closure.

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: 00:19:59

And to see somebody

368

: 00:20:02

find a way to have closure

369

: 00:20:07

in their.

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: 00:20:10

Is part of what makes people melt.

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: 00:20:12

And closure only exists in fiction.

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: 00:20:17

And that's why we have fiction and that's

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: 00:20:21

why this movie

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: 00:20:23

hit for me personally.

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: 00:20:26

I think you don't

even have to have closure, because I would

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: 00:20:29

I would play catch with my grandpa.

377

: 00:20:33

My ghost grandpa,

like every day of the week.

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: 00:20:36

And like, I don't I don't feel like

I don't have closure from his passing,

379

: 00:20:39

but I would still,

I think, like we can all relate to

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: 00:20:41

that idea of, like a person we loved

who's no longer here,

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: 00:20:45

gets to live out their happiest moment,

and you get to also be part of it.

382

: 00:20:50

Like,

383

: 00:20:51

yeah, yeah,

384

: 00:20:54

Robby can I

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: 00:20:56

What else did you write down about?

386

: 00:20:59

If there this.

387

: 00:21:01

I know you've got thoughts.

388

: 00:21:02

You've seen it over 40 times.

389

: 00:21:04

In your notes.

390

: 00:21:05

You took extensive notes.

391

: 00:21:06

like I'm a little bit

afraid of myself right now.

392

: 00:21:10

You Here's nine innings

393

: 00:21:12

worth of Robbie's thoughts

and feelings about Field of

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: 00:21:15

Dreams.

395

: 00:21:20

Music carries the opening credits.

396

: 00:21:22

Sets the tone for the movie.

397

: 00:21:24

Mystical. Magical.

398

: 00:21:25

Slightly haunting. Hunting.

399

: 00:21:27

Underneath it all.

400

: 00:21:28

The opening is about Rey's father

and then gets to himself.

401

: 00:21:31

There's never a description of anything

his father did wrong.

402

: 00:21:35

They fought because they fought, and

that's how it goes with fathers and sons.

403

: 00:21:39

His story mirrors

his father's conventional hearing.

404

: 00:21:41

The voice kind of pisses

Rey off. It's a nice reaction.

405

: 00:21:44

He doesn't like to be in that position

because he's not that type of person.

406

: 00:21:46

Rey, here's the voice three times.

407

: 00:21:47

Once in the cornfield,

408

: 00:21:48

once while sleeping in his home,

and the third time in the cornfield again.

409

: 00:21:51

But the third time

he sees the field and Shoeless Joe,

410

: 00:21:54

his daughter, watching Harvey

the next day.

411

: 00:21:55

I love the ray, says.

412

: 00:21:57

That man is sick. Very sick.

413

: 00:21:59

The home is chaotic and lived in.

414

: 00:22:01

The more he thinks about building

the field, the more into baseball he gets.

415

: 00:22:03

He's closer to his father's world

and closer to his father.

416

: 00:22:05

Any questions whether he should do

this, build this field.

417

: 00:22:07

And Ray says he's

afraid of turning into his father.

418

: 00:22:09

He wonders about his father as a person.

419

: 00:22:10

He's afraid of turning into

this vision of his father.

420

: 00:22:14

He's beginning

to understand that his father is a person,

421

: 00:22:16

and it becomes supportive

of the idea of building the field.

422

: 00:22:18

She's pragmatic,

but understands the need for spontaneity.

423

: 00:22:20

Once he starts building the field,

424

: 00:22:21

he starts to share the experience

with his daughter.

425

: 00:22:23

He's becoming the best parts

of his father.

426

: 00:22:24

It's exposition, but it's also bonding.

427

: 00:22:26

The best type of exposition.

428

: 00:22:29

Once the field is finished,

him and Annie picnic on it

429

: 00:22:30

and raise smiles

at the thought of his father.

430

: 00:22:31

I have just created something

totally illogical.

431

: 00:22:33

He's proud of himself.

432

: 00:22:34

Impressed. He's not dwelling on the fact

that Shoeless Joe isn't there yet.

433

: 00:22:36

He's just reveling in the accomplishment.

434

: 00:22:38

He spends the winter waiting.

435

: 00:22:38

Kind of like baseball fans wait all winter

for the new season to start.

436

: 00:22:41

Pitchers and catchers

fidget pitchers and catchers.

437

: 00:22:44

Pitchers

and catchers, pitchers and catchers.

438

: 00:22:47

I just love pitchers

and pitchers and catchers.

439

: 00:22:50

I just love pitchers and catchers.

440

: 00:22:53

That's totally me.

441

: 00:22:54

I love.

442

: 00:22:55

I cannot wait for pitchers and catchers

443

: 00:22:58

just when they're realizing the

444

: 00:23:00

the cost of the field to their finances.

445

: 00:23:03

She has a history of beers,

and they know they have to keep it.

446

: 00:23:05

First scene with Shoeless Joe

that they don't talk for a while, but nod.

447

: 00:23:07

Music builds the mystery

for both Ray and Shoeless Joe.

448

: 00:23:08

They can't believe this is happening.

Taking it slowly.

449

: 00:23:09

Ray's smiling

when Joe asks him if he can pitch.

450

: 00:23:10

I can definitely relate to that smile.

451

: 00:23:11

It'd be amazing to pitch and play

with the hero.

452

: 00:23:12

Joe Lightning Ray's

curve and Ray smiles playful.

453

: 00:23:13

They enjoy the same parts of the game.

What's with the lights? Owners.

454

: 00:23:14

Some parts of the game never change.

455

: 00:23:15

When any invites Joe inside, Joe says,

I don't think I can.

456

: 00:23:16

Introduces a boundary to the dream

that will later come back.

457

: 00:23:17

Moonlight

Graham is the only one to cross it.

458

: 00:23:20

We're keeping this field.

459

: 00:23:22

You bet your ass we are.

460

: 00:23:24

And his brother Mark immediately squashes

the dream.

461

: 00:23:26

He's going to lose the farm. Mark actually

has a pretty good understanding of Ray.

462

: 00:23:28

You never liked Iowa?

Not exactly true, but not exactly wrong.

463

: 00:23:30

Mark is trying to help.

He cares about his sister.

464

: 00:23:31

But he's a villain. The other white Sox

come out to play.

465

: 00:23:33

Same fan, same grievances. Oh, yeah.

At least I got muscles.

466

: 00:23:35

At most you got muscles.

They swear in front of Karen.

467

: 00:23:37

Karen says it's all right.

468

: 00:23:38

We find out that not everyone can see

them.

469

: 00:23:39

Annie calls Ray into dinner,

and the ballplayers make fun of him.

470

: 00:23:41

I'm noting I'm melting.

471

: 00:23:43

There are a lot of people

at this PTA meeting.

472

: 00:23:44

It may be backward,

but it's well attended.

473

: 00:23:45

Camera shakes a bit when the woman

is talking about the Terrence Mann book

474

: 00:23:49

being smut.

475

: 00:23:50

You know,

I stopped writing books, don't you?

476

: 00:23:51

Because he masturbates.

477

: 00:23:53

Why did they leave the meeting?

478

: 00:23:54

Ray realizes

he has to ease Terence's man man's pain.

479

: 00:23:56

And to do that, he needs to go to Boston.

480

: 00:23:57

And is the one torn

between magic and reality

481

: 00:23:59

until she realizes

they are having the same dream.

482

: 00:24:01

And then she's back in the magic

483

: 00:24:02

Ray, coming in with his hand in his

pocket, pretending it's a gun. Is amazing.

484

: 00:24:04

The way this scene plays out is fantastic.

485

: 00:24:06

Kevin Costner plays it straight,

486

: 00:24:07

and Terry's response

to him, the softening to Ray makes sense.

487

: 00:24:09

No, I mean, what do you want?

Shows him the concession stand.

488

: 00:24:11

Oh, talking of beer.

489

: 00:24:12

Terry admires Ray's passion.

490

: 00:24:13

Says he used to feel that way,

but doesn't anymore.

491

: 00:24:14

Ray, refusing to involve Terry anymore,

convinces Terry to come clean.

492

: 00:24:16

Road trip music.

493

: 00:24:17

Ray goes for a walk and finds himself

in: 1972

494

: 00:24:19

Burt Lancaster. What a face!

495

: 00:24:21

The camera finds him at a distance

and then swoops in on him. Great entrance.

496

: 00:24:23

It was like coming

this close to your dreams

497

: 00:24:24

and watching it brush past

you like a stranger in the crowd.

498

: 00:24:26

His dream was to bat once in the major

leagues.

499

: 00:24:27

Ray would go that far to see this through.

Doc Graham walked.

500

: 00:24:29

He's at peace with his life

in a way that Ray isn't his younger self.

501

: 00:24:31

So we'll take that journey.

502

: 00:24:33

It's not my fault

you wouldn't play catch with your father.

503

: 00:24:36

Terry's face when he sees and meets

everyone is amazing.

504

: 00:24:37

He's like a kid. He's bent over and

flabbergasted when he shakes Joe's hand.

505

: 00:24:39

Hey, how about a warning? Sure, kid.

Watch out! You don't get killed.

506

: 00:24:41

The look between Graham and Ray. Mutually

grateful.

507

: 00:24:42

Terry gets more childlike

as the movie progresses,

508

: 00:24:43

and he finds the thing he had a hard time

believing is real.

509

: 00:24:44

When Karen says people will come and buy

a ticket, everyone

510

: 00:24:45

but Mark believes her

because they have bought into the magic.

511

: 00:24:46

The people will come.

512

: 00:24:46

Ray is not my favorite speech,

but it makes sense why it's there.

513

: 00:24:48

It continues with the magic and explains

why Ray refuses to sign.

514

: 00:24:49

Ray genuinely feels bad

that Doc Graham can't go back.

515

: 00:24:50

Mark finally sees the ballplayers

and says they can't sell the farm.

516

: 00:24:52

You lied to me.

517

: 00:24:54

You said your finger was a gun.

518

: 00:24:58

Ray's father comes out of nowhere.

519

: 00:25:00

He wasn't there before, and now he is.

520

: 00:25:03

Ray introduces him to his family,

which he mentioned earlier

521

: 00:25:07

he never got a chance to do.

522

: 00:25:09

Neither knows how to act with the other.

523

: 00:25:11

There's so much. Fun.

524

: 00:25:31

There's so much to say.

525

: 00:25:32

And neither knows how to say it.

526

: 00:25:35

They're sharing little moments,

527

: 00:25:37

and they're about to hold off.

528

: 00:25:48

They're sharing little moments,

529

: 00:25:49

and they're about to hold off

on expressing it until.

530

: 00:25:52

Dad, do you want to have a catch?

531

: 00:25:58

Oh my God.

532

: 00:26:07

It's so fucking beautiful.

533

: 00:26:10

It really is.

534

: 00:26:15

That was a lot.

535

: 00:26:18

Robby's got feelings.

536

: 00:26:20

That was about the.

537

: 00:26:23

Robbie, that was beautiful.

538

: 00:26:26

Thank you.

539

: 00:26:26

That was, that was unexpected.

540

: 00:26:31

what exactly made you burst into tears?

541

: 00:26:37

It was picturing them.

542

: 00:26:39

there's this idea that there are

a bunch of ghosts in the field playing

543

: 00:26:42

baseball, and, and, and they all have

544

: 00:26:45

the memories of, of their full lives,

545

: 00:26:48

when Ray's father finally comes, it

546

: 00:26:52

there's not like, an overt recognition of

547

: 00:26:57

father and son looking at

548

: 00:26:59

each other like it's very,

like I see in Kevin Costner.

549

: 00:27:02

Oh, my God, it's my dad.

550

: 00:27:04

But I don't see.

551

: 00:27:05

And John, his father, oh,

my God, it's my son in the same way.

552

: 00:27:10

It's all about trying

to find their way into

553

: 00:27:13

Of recognize each other as father and son.

554

: 00:27:15

And the build up to

that is is is pretty impressive.

555

: 00:27:21

And I've never really understood

if my response to

556

: 00:27:24

it has been their acting

or my knowledge of what's happening.

557

: 00:27:29

I love that breaking down of walls.

558

: 00:27:31

And that's very moving to me.

559

: 00:27:32

That's incredibly moving to me.

560

: 00:27:35

When two people don't know how to

talk to each other and then find something

561

: 00:27:39

that they can do together,

that shows how much they love each other

562

: 00:27:42

and how much has been referenced

before, you know, like, that was the

563

: 00:27:47

that was the basis of their breakup.

564

: 00:27:50

You know, it's very earned.

565

: 00:27:51

Yeah, yeah.

566

: 00:27:54

When he said he is beginning to understand

that his father is a person,

567

: 00:27:59

Because one day, Connor

will see you as more than just dad.

568

: 00:28:04

Yeah, that's such a that's such

569

: 00:28:06

a big part of growing up.

570

: 00:28:10

Realizing your parents are people is.

571

: 00:28:11

Like, just realizing that you're. Human.

572

: 00:28:14

this is part of what it is to be

a human being, like, you are a child,

573

: 00:28:18

and then you realize your parents part,

a part of growing up is just realizing

574

: 00:28:23

that your parents are not like mommy

and daddy, but like they're their own

575

: 00:28:26

people who are dealing with their own,

you know, are dealing with their own shit.

576

: 00:28:34

Because it's funny that you recreated

a similar situation, but like, in your own

577

: 00:28:38

way, like that, like you and your dad

have a lot of parallels him as an umpire.

578

: 00:28:41

And in Europe as like an indie rocker.

579

: 00:28:43

it is very similar, and I've never

really thought about that parallel at all,

580

: 00:28:48

other than being young and broken,

you know.

581

: 00:28:51

Having a dream.

582

: 00:28:52

Yeah, but but in, in reality,

you know, it's kind of beautiful

583

: 00:28:57

that like most people in their retirement

would just want to do

584

: 00:29:02

the things like travel

and do the things that they love to do.

585

: 00:29:07

And so as, like, whatever a 30 year old,

I was getting to travel the country and

586

: 00:29:12

play music every night that is like,

587

: 00:29:15

wow, I'd rather do that

at 30 than 70, right?

588

: 00:29:19

And my dad got to go

and, watch a baseball game

589

: 00:29:22

and travel with his friends

when he was 25.

590

: 00:29:25

Right. It's really cool.

591

: 00:29:26

And so that he never got to

592

: 00:29:28

have those retirement years

because he worked until the day he died.

593

: 00:29:33

He did get to have what some people might

594

: 00:29:36

consider the most incredible retirement.

595

: 00:29:39

You got to watch a baseball game

every day.

596

: 00:29:41

You got to be a part of it,

597

: 00:29:43

and you got to travel

and you got to do it with his friends.

598

: 00:29:46

That sounds pretty incredible.

599

: 00:29:51

much like baseball.

600

: 00:29:52

It's sort of like if I try to tell you

what baseball is about, you can't.

601

: 00:29:56

But you can talk about the moment

and the things that they come together

602

: 00:29:59

and like the pace and the slowness

and the experience.

603

: 00:30:01

But it's like, let it be and like,

let the experience be what it is.

604

: 00:30:06

call it makes me appreciate

what you had to say about it because like,

605

: 00:30:10

it is just presenting itself and

you either are going to accept it or not.

606

: 00:30:14

And like, I hadn't really thought

about the cars at the end coming like,

607

: 00:30:19

they're just all coming all of a sudden

and you're like, how did they know?

608

: 00:30:23

You know?

609

: 00:30:24

And you're like, well, okay,

I guess because the movie said so.

610

: 00:30:28

Yeah. It's like,

611

: 00:30:31

right.

612

: 00:30:32

Because you give a speech which I don't

particularly like, or particularly great.

613

: 00:30:36

But not great, not well written.

614

: 00:30:38

But you said it was going to happen.

So okay, here we go.

615

: 00:30:41

A very wholesome thing

about the cars is that

616

: 00:30:47

those are actual Iowans who,

617

: 00:30:49

heard a call out on the radio.

618

: 00:30:54

X, Y, and Z time.

619

: 00:30:56

We need to, I'm on this exact route.

620

: 00:31:00

So, please, 5 p.m.

621

: 00:31:03

Thursday.

622

: 00:31:04

Wow. Please, everybody in Iowa drive up.

623

: 00:31:08

That's so cool.

624

: 00:31:10

It was such a beautiful shot.

625

: 00:31:12

It looked real.

626

: 00:31:13

So I love that I love that it wasn't.

627

: 00:31:15

I love that, and I could imagine, like,

628

: 00:31:19

being in the theater and being like,

I wonder which cars us.

629

: 00:31:22

Right?

630

: 00:31:22

Yeah.

631

: 00:31:25

So, so another another part of

632

: 00:31:27

that is they they didn't have

enough cars so they had them

633

: 00:31:32

alternate between their brights and their

634

: 00:31:35

and their regular

so that it looked like the,

635

: 00:31:38

their bright lights

and the regular lights.

636

: 00:31:40

So they were flickering their lights.

637

: 00:31:41

So it looked like there were more of them.

638

: 00:31:44

Or it did have a funny twinkle to it.

639

: 00:31:46

But yeah.

640

: 00:31:47

Normal lights don't have.

641

: 00:31:52

did you say the phrase toxic masculinity?

642

: 00:31:54

Jaclynn?

643

: 00:31:55

Probably at some point today.

644

: 00:31:58

Not in this film.

645

: 00:31:59

there's a running joke, probably

in a lot of people's circles about

646

: 00:32:04

things, especially in movies,

647

: 00:32:07

things that men will do to avoid

going to therapy.

648

: 00:32:12

Yeah.

649

: 00:32:14

A classic example.

650

: 00:32:18

A for ghosts?

651

: 00:32:21

for ghosts?

652

: 00:32:22

For Shoeless Joe Jackson?

653

: 00:32:24

For Shoeless Joe Jackson?

654

: 00:32:26

Those those are.

655

: 00:32:29

For the white ghost ways

656

: 00:32:31

For the white ghost ways to.

657

: 00:32:35

It's it though.

658

: 00:32:37

Is it like, in reality. Right.

659

: 00:32:39

That would be pretty bonkers.

660

: 00:32:42

Hey, guys.

661

: 00:32:42

Just want you to know I'm dating this guy.

662

: 00:32:44

And don't worry.

663

: 00:32:48

I don't know,

he left to go kidnap my favorite writer.

664

: 00:32:52

when I have this big moment and I, like,

have this political beautiful moment.

665

: 00:32:55

He didn't hear it at all.

666

: 00:32:57

He was too busy realizing

he was going to kidnap my favorite writer.

667

: 00:33:00

And he's gone now.

668

: 00:33:01

But, guys,

I think it's going to really work out.

669

: 00:33:03

He took all of my savings.

670

: 00:33:08

And he's building

a baseball field in a cornfield.

671

: 00:33:11

But I think it's okay, guys.

672

: 00:33:13

I think it's love.

673

: 00:33:16

Okay.

674

: 00:33:17

All of that.

675

: 00:33:19

You said it was wholesome.

676

: 00:33:26

All of it.

677

: 00:33:26

To get from

678

: 00:33:28

you with your dead father.

679

: 00:33:33

I will say,

680

: 00:33:35

Kevin Costner gets away with a lot

for being so handsome in this film.

681

: 00:33:40

Yeah.

682

: 00:33:41

He's so good looking. My goodness.

683

: 00:33:44

he gets away with a lot

because he's just sort of moving

684

: 00:33:47

forward, he's

not thinking about this, Yeah.

685

: 00:33:50

Like,

there's a lot of people who would be like,

686

: 00:33:52

I'm going to build a baseball thing.

687

: 00:33:53

And then they never get.

688

: 00:33:54

He built a beautiful baseball field.

689

: 00:33:57

He did manage to kidnap an author.

690

: 00:34:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

691

: 00:34:02

They did go to a game like the manager

leaves the things he sets out to do.

692

: 00:34:06

And that is impressive.

693

: 00:34:08

Yeah. it's very much a baby boomer movie.

694

: 00:34:11

He's, full disclosure,

baby boomers as a generation drive me nuts

695

: 00:34:16

because we're so crazy, you know,

because like,

696

: 00:34:18

my understanding of them is

that they're so incredibly selfish.

697

: 00:34:22

I didn't find the masculinity toxic,

but I found it very on point, you know?

698

: 00:34:27

Yeah. It's very of a time.

699

: 00:34:29

It's like you just you can you can see

the birthplace of where we've ended up.

700

: 00:34:34

Yeah. Yeah. Right.

This is like every, like.

701

: 00:34:37

Oh at all costs, follow your dreams and

like and that's how we got to: 2026

702

: 00:34:41

Yeah yeah

yeah. Yeah. Exactly right. Yeah.

703

: 00:34:47

does things

slowly happen, and then all of a sudden

704

: 00:34:50

we're going to Minnesota and then we're

driving, we're driving, we're driving,

705

: 00:34:55

we're talking about this thing,

and then suddenly we see somebody

706

: 00:35:00

hitchhiking and oh my God, it's well,

you know, like like

707

: 00:35:05

they're just these bursts of of things

that move the story forward.

708

: 00:35:09

And I just really enjoy that.

709

: 00:35:11

But every single one of these things

is a choice he chooses to make.

710

: 00:35:15

He chooses to drive to Boston

to take Terrence Man to a baseball game.

711

: 00:35:20

He chooses to build this baseball field.

712

: 00:35:22

He chooses and it was all

because he didn't make the simple choice

713

: 00:35:26

as a, as a kid to just go out

and play catch with his dad.

714

: 00:35:35

come on, Ray.

715

: 00:35:40

It's the bottom of the ninth.

716

: 00:35:42

Bases loaded.

717

: 00:35:44

The crowd can feel it,

718

: 00:35:47

and they've got five minutes till dinner.

719

: 00:35:59

When you were doing the drive

720

: 00:36:01

from the East coast back to Iowa

721

: 00:36:05

how much did that help you

722

: 00:36:08

picture what Terance

Mann and Ray would have been feeling

723

: 00:36:12

in that drive from Boston back to Iowa?

724

: 00:36:16

Yeah, that's that's so nice.

725

: 00:36:18

That's a such a cool scene in that movie.

726

: 00:36:21

Because of course, you know,

the magic of film.

727

: 00:36:24

You can drive from Iowa to Boston

just like that.

728

: 00:36:27

And I've done New York City too, Iowa,

729

: 00:36:33

Sibley, Iowa, after a CMJ show.

730

: 00:36:37

And I know from the Lower East

Side of Manhattan, too, Iowa,

731

: 00:36:43

takes 26 hours and moves

and you lose an hour.

732

: 00:36:48

This country is so big.

733

: 00:36:50

And we left as a band, you know, the Lower

734

: 00:36:53

East Side of Manhattan

at like,: 10:00

735

: 00:36:57

but it took 26 hours straight.

736

: 00:37:00

So from Iowa to Boston,

it would be very similar, probably 25 hour

737

: 00:37:06

drive The amount of time that Terence man

738

: 00:37:10

and Ray had to connect on everything from

739

: 00:37:15

writing,

740

: 00:37:17

protesting in the 60s,

being a father, baseball like,

741

: 00:37:22

because you can tell by the time

that that they get back to Iowa

742

: 00:37:27

that they feel like

they've been lifelong friends

743

: 00:37:30

and that they've gone

through something together.

744

: 00:37:32

And I feel like that was always

the thing about being in a band or,

745

: 00:37:36

or doing some sort of epic trip that

you've been through something together.

746

: 00:37:41

You know, I always, I always tell people

who are starting a relationship

747

: 00:37:44

like a couple that maybe you shouldn't

go on vacation together.

748

: 00:37:48

You, because you're either going to be

you're either going to fall in love

749

: 00:37:52

with each other or that the vacation's

going to be the the end of it,

750

: 00:37:56

you know,

because you have to it's it's it's

751

: 00:38:00

it's it's

an experience to travel with somebody.

752

: 00:38:02

But yeah, you don't get to see

all those conversations they had.

753

: 00:38:07

It's just it just shows them in the night

driving in the rain.

754

: 00:38:11

And they're just having kind

of a very mundane conversation about dads.

755

: 00:38:15

And then all of a sudden there's

moonlight Graham, you know,

756

: 00:38:19

just let's pick up this hitchhiker,

because it would be good

757

: 00:38:23

to have another person in this car

to carry on a conversation.

758

: 00:38:26

Yeah.

759

: 00:38:27

I really like how they show don't tell.

760

: 00:38:30

And that, like, they don't

there's not a lot of exposition of like,

761

: 00:38:32

wow, we're having such a bonding

experience over 26 hours.

762

: 00:38:35

You just see the change

in their relationship

763

: 00:38:37

from when they started, right?

764

: 00:38:39

The fake gun and like the kidnaping

to like this familiarity and friendship

765

: 00:38:43

that has clearly grown out of them

spending so much time together,

766

: 00:38:45

I thought that that was it's

just really it's shown.

767

: 00:38:50

Just as a side note, in the book,

the author is J.D.

768

: 00:38:53

Salinger, who he goes to kidnap.

769

: 00:38:56

Oh, interesting.

770

: 00:38:57

Yeah. Yeah.

771

: 00:38:58

But yeah I guess I didn't occur to me

772

: 00:39:00

that James Earl Jones

in this Terrence is was a ghost.

773

: 00:39:04

I can't believe I missed that. I feel very

774

: 00:39:07

ignorant.

775

: 00:39:08

Is that the.

776

: 00:39:10

Oh, I didn't think that at all. Okay.

777

: 00:39:12

I didn't think that Cole said it.

778

: 00:39:14

Okay. I didn't think that Cole said it.

779

: 00:39:16

Oh, okay.

780

: 00:39:17

They gave it a wildly liberal read.

781

: 00:39:19

Okay.

782

: 00:39:21

But I would actually

783

: 00:39:25

say to other people he became a ghost.

784

: 00:39:28

Yeah, that's the thing.

785

: 00:39:29

He did die, right?

786

: 00:39:30

Like they sent him into the cornfield

to die, right?

787

: 00:39:33

No, no, just to report.

788

: 00:39:35

I think he's going to come back.

789

: 00:39:38

Robbie, that's so cute. Did.

790

: 00:39:39

Do you have a lot of animals

go upstate to a farm?

791

: 00:39:42

Every one of them on.

792

: 00:39:44

So. No, but I think.

793

: 00:39:46

I'm gonna.

794

: 00:39:47

Come back. Now.

795

: 00:39:48

I think. I think he's coming back.

796

: 00:39:50

I think he's coming back.

797

: 00:39:53

Nice.

798

: 00:39:53

You think. He's coming. Back?

799

: 00:39:55

No. That man is dead. And.

800

: 00:40:00

No, that was that was him going

to become a ghost.

801

: 00:40:03

I believe the kids and Willy

Wonka did die.

802

: 00:40:06

I do not believe.

803

: 00:40:07

That, Terence.

804

: 00:40:07

Man, I don't believe that

he died in this movie.

805

: 00:40:12

you both think he died.

806

: 00:40:14

You both think he went into the field

and just.

807

: 00:40:17

Yeah, it's the ghost field, ma'am.

808

: 00:40:20

Oh, God. That's.

809

: 00:40:22

What do you think happens back there?

810

: 00:40:23

You think they're all just actually,

811

: 00:40:24

like, in there,

like changing clothes and stuff?

812

: 00:40:26

No, I, I, I just feel like he's

he's gone back there.

813

: 00:40:31

He's, he's, he's

going to look around and experience that.

814

: 00:40:34

And you to come back and write about it.

815

: 00:40:35

Where do you think he's gone? Back there.

816

: 00:40:37

Become a ghost.

817

: 00:40:39

And then he's going to come back a man.

818

: 00:40:41

Yeah.

819

: 00:40:41

Because they, like, disappear

into the corn.

820

: 00:40:43

Yeah. Because they, like,

disappear into the corn.

821

: 00:40:45

No, I think I know I don't think he

he becomes a ghost.

822

: 00:40:49

I think he, I think he enters

the ghost realm and then he just returns.

823

: 00:40:56

Well.

824

: 00:40:58

Jack, are you looking at me like, oh,

that's adorable.

825

: 00:41:01

That's really.

826

: 00:41:02

It's very sweet.

827

: 00:41:04

I'm not going to kill that bubble.

828

: 00:41:05

He does.

829

: 00:41:05

He he lives.

830

: 00:41:06

He's fine.

831

: 00:41:11

Well then

832

: 00:41:12

when you said with each revelation

someone says

833

: 00:41:16

this is really interesting,

834

: 00:41:19

all caps very midwestern.

835

: 00:41:23

Yeah.

836

: 00:41:23

But it is this movie is so Midwestern.

837

: 00:41:28

You're Midwestern.

838

: 00:41:30

I it's just I mean I do that all the time

and like, oh, cool.

839

: 00:41:35

You know, it's like.

840

: 00:41:37

Know like something happens and it's like,

Oh that's interesting.

841

: 00:41:41

That's a really cool thing.

842

: 00:41:43

You know?

843

: 00:41:45

I just it's the.

844

: 00:41:46

Blind support

is that it's Midwestern. Just saying.

845

: 00:41:48

Yeah, I like it.

846

: 00:41:49

I know it's a very Midwestern response

like, oh, that's great.

847

: 00:41:54

That's really cool.

848

: 00:41:55

And not yeah, I do that a lot.

849

: 00:41:58

I do that a lot.

850

: 00:41:59

like I would imagine that

851

: 00:42:01

like a more New York response or an East

Coast response would be like an eyeroll.

852

: 00:42:06

Or, or fuck.

853

: 00:42:07

Yeah. Yeah. I once was at a party.

854

: 00:42:11

Like, I don't consider Colorado a midwest,

but it's also not not Midwest.

855

: 00:42:15

And I was at a party once,

and this woman told me that,

856

: 00:42:18

her whole job was, like,

scooping eyeballs out of corpses

857

: 00:42:21

and, like, for research or, you know,

but that's like, that's her whole job.

858

: 00:42:26

And, like,

very similarly, I just was like, oh, cool.

859

: 00:42:29

Like, no,

860

: 00:42:30

better like you, you would never be like,

that's fucking crazy.

861

: 00:42:33

Like you'd just be like,

oh, cool. Wow. That's really interesting.

862

: 00:42:35

Yeah.

863

: 00:42:35

Like, it's like, so polite

and just supportive and, like, would,

864

: 00:42:39

I think,

865

: 00:42:40

I mean it's been decades

since I've had that moment

866

: 00:42:44

and I think about it probably

like every week and I'm always like

867

: 00:42:46

I have so many follow up questions and

I honestly have I have a lot of reaction.

868

: 00:42:51

But I just was like, oh, cool.

869

: 00:42:53

Totally normal. Yeah, totally.

870

: 00:42:56

I work at Starbucks

and you scoop eyeballs.

871

: 00:42:59

Like.

872

: 00:43:00

You're building afield

because you heard voices.

873

: 00:43:02

Yeah. Cool. Yeah, sure.

874

: 00:43:03

Let's eat some green bean casserole.

875

: 00:43:05

We're all just going to drive

to this field because there's ghost

876

: 00:43:07

playing baseball.

877

: 00:43:08

Sounds it is Midwestern,

but I don't know what it makes it.

878

: 00:43:11

Midwestern.

879

: 00:43:13

It's like poor, you know what?

880

: 00:43:14

What? Do you see it?

881

: 00:43:15

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

882

: 00:43:16

Yeah.

883

: 00:43:22

the mystique about it

is, is it's generational.

884

: 00:43:25

And I also think it's the father son bond

885

: 00:43:29

you know, that's why I love the game

and that's why it's my favorite sport.

886

: 00:43:32

And I've seen more than 100 sports

across the world.

887

: 00:43:35

So it's it's saying something

that that baseball is my favorite sport.

888

: 00:43:39

I think, because of the uniqueness of it,

it's just so different from the other

889

: 00:43:44

sports, the game of failure, Well,

I mean, in baseball,

890

: 00:43:48

you know, if if a guy Well,

I mean, in baseball, you know, if

891

: 00:43:53

if a guy fails seven out of ten times

892

: 00:43:57

as a hitter, he goes to the Hall of Fame.

893

: 00:44:00

Well in baseball

you really have to have the mentality of,

894

: 00:44:04

geez, I may only get one hit this game

if I get two hits in this game.

895

: 00:44:08

Holy cow, I'm kicking it out of the park.

896

: 00:44:11

So on average you get about four at bats,

897

: 00:44:14

and if you get one hit out of every

four, you've had a great day.

898

: 00:44:25

Oh yeah

I mean there is a guy into the movie.

899

: 00:44:28

Absolutely absolutely.

900

: 00:44:30

All the, all the obstacles that

901

: 00:44:34

and then I think that's what baseball fans

and even the general public resonate

902

: 00:44:37

with, you know, and that's why it's it's

a movie that has been so long lasting

903

: 00:44:42

and it gets someone to watch it

on his birthday for 35.

904

: 00:45:22

Well I think yes

I think that's one of the thing.

905

: 00:45:25

Yeah.

906

: 00:45:25

I think that's one of the things

907

: 00:45:26

that is unique to baseball,

especially for a younger player,

908

: 00:45:29

So in the movie,

they see the potential in Archie,

909

: 00:45:34

and they see the

they see the fire in his eyes

910

: 00:45:37

and his love of the game,

which they all share.

911

: 00:45:40

And so in baseball and of course,

it was a movie, you know, even

912

: 00:45:45

the slightest bit of a contribution can be

you could be considered the hero.

913

: 00:45:49

it was written in the gospel

that he was going to go the distance

914

: 00:45:53

As I say, was so young to you.

915

: 00:45:55

There's like probably

916

: 00:45:55

that false assumption of there's

time, it's inevitable and there's time.

917

: 00:45:59

Yeah.

918

: 00:46:00

And that and that it says that

and that it says Mike will go all the way.

919

: 00:46:05

a year after he passed away of,

920

: 00:46:08

you know, they renamed the Little League

baseball field.

921

: 00:46:11

So that I grew up playing on, you know,

Mike Fleming Fields.

922

: 00:46:15

you know, it's it's not Fenway Park

or Wrigley Field or whatever, like.

923

: 00:46:19

No, it's Mike Fleming Field. Yes, sir.

924

: 00:46:21

When something goes on there,

goes on that field, you know,

925

: 00:46:25

or they're, a seven year old kid

and they're going to go play their first

926

: 00:46:29

baseball game.

927

: 00:46:31

And they look at that and they're like,

well, I wonder who that guy was.

928

: 00:46:34

You know, it's why

why are these fields named after him?

929

: 00:46:37

And like and it's cool because they have a

like a picture of him there like a,

930

: 00:46:41

like a plaque, and that I grew up

playing on it and coaching on it.

931

: 00:46:46

And, it is our probably family's

little field of dreams in a sense,

932

: 00:46:55

and you have to remember that

933

: 00:46:58

in this in this film,

934

: 00:47:02

Ray says it.

935

: 00:47:03

Ray says one of the reasons

that he stopped playing catch with his dad

936

: 00:47:07

is because he read this person's book

so that he.

937

: 00:47:11

That was so funny influence of a father

to this, to this writer.

938

: 00:47:16

He didn't know what this idolizing

of a human being that you don't know.

939

: 00:47:20

But their ideals connect with you

more than even your closest

940

: 00:47:24

relative.

941

: 00:47:32

And then Terence,

942

: 00:47:33

man, when they're in the van,

943

: 00:47:36

he says, you see, that's the sort of crap

people are always laying on me.

944

: 00:47:40

It's not my fault

you wouldn't play catch with your father.