The Studio, Episode 02, "The Oner" - Put Chekhov's Gun Down! Or Don't, Because This Story Was Perfect

Speaker: 00:00:01

Let's unwrap The Studio.

2

: 00:00:03

Episode Two “The Oner.” I love it so much.

3

: 00:00:07

Cole... literally...

4

: 00:00:09

Just rolled his eyes?

5

: 00:00:11

It's great.

6

: 00:00:12

Who’s car is ruining the shot. Oh!

7

: 00:00:15

It's mine. Oh, this.

8

: 00:00:17

Why are you even still here?

9

: 00:00:18

My fault.

10

: 00:00:20

Every second out the gate, I was like in.

11

: 00:00:23

This is an episode.

12

: 00:00:24

An episode of Chekhov's Guns.

13

: 00:00:26

And by that, I mean there's like,

idea of an in a Chekhov play.

14

: 00:00:30

If you see a gun in the first act,

it has to go off in the third act.

15

: 00:00:33

So anything that you see has to have

a has to resolve by the end

16

: 00:00:37

or has to be there for a reason

by the end.

17

: 00:00:39

I love a Chekhov scan, I loved it,

I loved him drop that which I really like.

18

: 00:00:43

You invented it. Like I said to.

19

: 00:00:46

Like a.

20

: 00:00:46

Chekhov.

21

: 00:00:48

I take my gut and I go.

22

: 00:00:50

Come back here.

23

: 00:00:51

Stop moving, stop moving, stop moving.

24

: 00:00:53

It not like that.

25

: 00:00:54

Put the gun back.

Put it back on the mantel.

26

: 00:00:58

I got it, I got you feel me?

27

: 00:01:00

Okay.

28

: 00:01:01

Here we are. Going to use it later.

29

: 00:01:04

That is the point. Use it later.

30

: 00:01:07

I took so like,

I took my gun like I invented it.

31

: 00:01:11

You feel poo poo poo poo?

32

: 00:01:14

You know, one of the things

that has also made me very excited,

33

: 00:01:19

we've talked about, like, experience

being part of it is Seth Rogen.

34

: 00:01:23

Well, Seth Rogen specifically

because I follow him on Instagram.

35

: 00:01:25

But like the team themselves,

is so willing to share the behind

36

: 00:01:28

the scenes and that just geeks me out.

37

: 00:01:31

So, like,

they're as geeky about how it's made

38

: 00:01:34

and what the process is,

and then they're talking

39

: 00:01:37

about how it gets made

and what the process is, and then,

40

: 00:01:39

I mean, it just is layer on layer

met on meta.

41

: 00:01:41

I love it, and it's done so well.

42

: 00:01:43

And so from the minute

they're driving, I'm

43

: 00:01:44

trying to figure out

how they're doing the camera

44

: 00:01:47

and then how they park

and the camera moves like I'm like.

45

: 00:01:49

So immediately I was like, what is this?

46

: 00:01:52

Uhhuh.

47

: 00:01:53

And then and then greedily shows up

and then like, Sarah Polley is there,

48

: 00:01:56

and then I just.

49

: 00:01:57

And then I realize it's called the oner

and they're doing a oner.

50

: 00:01:59

And I from the second it started, I was in

and I was so excited.

51

: 00:02:04

And again, I've talked about,

you know, we talked last episode of like

52

: 00:02:08

a second viewing can change things.

53

: 00:02:10

So now I like episode one more.

54

: 00:02:12

Because because I love episode two.

55

: 00:02:15

So much that I like that

it just forgives all the sins.

56

: 00:02:17

You know?

57

: 00:02:18

Yeah.

58

: 00:02:19

No, I loved it from the minute it started.

59

: 00:02:22

Yeah.

60

: 00:02:23

And I immediately rewatched it

because, like, because of the book

61

: 00:02:26

to where it was like, they talk about,

like, everything they talk about, they do.

62

: 00:02:29

It's 23 minutes, I think, and everything

they talk about, they do.

63

: 00:02:33

So they're like, they talk about a book

and they bookend it.

64

: 00:02:36

They like, oh, I could just go on and on.

65

: 00:02:38

Yeah, they're just doing all the stuff

that they're talking about,

66

: 00:02:40

and we're watching them do it

and how they do it.

67

: 00:02:41

And so I immediately was like,

oh my God, a bookend,

68

: 00:02:44

and I'm a fool for that kind of thing.

69

: 00:02:46

I love I love a bookend again,

I think it's a magic trick,

70

: 00:02:49

but it's one I fall for every time.

It's like the bunny out of the hat.

71

: 00:02:52

So I immediately

72

: 00:02:53

went back to rewatch it to be like,

I think they started where they ended.

73

: 00:02:56

And like, how much did they do that?

74

: 00:02:58

Yeah, yeah.

75

: 00:02:58

This nerd love for this episode.

76

: 00:03:01

The driving at the beginning, right off,

it's like it's

77

: 00:03:04

so frenetic and it's so stressful

and it's so tense.

78

: 00:03:07

And Sal and Matt are having

that conversation about,

79

: 00:03:11

you shouldn't be going to this thing.

80

: 00:03:12

You really should not be going to

this thing.

81

: 00:03:14

This is such a bad idea.

82

: 00:03:15

Like, I love that, I love

I love putting that at the beginning

83

: 00:03:19

because everything they say comes true

and their relationship is great,

84

: 00:03:23

and the and the way the camera was moving

and also the way

85

: 00:03:26

that the Seth Rogen

is like kind of handling the.

86

: 00:03:30

The steering wheel. His thing

87

: 00:03:31

was really like defines his characters

and how the car they're driving.

88

: 00:03:35

And it's like it's shaky

and you're just like, oh my God, like.

89

: 00:03:39

And it's just right off the bat,

it's really great.

90

: 00:03:42

And then and then the,

the very narrow streets that they're,

91

: 00:03:46

they're trying to maneuver

with all the cars and then they

92

: 00:03:49

and then when they go up that driveway,

it's like, it's like new.

93

: 00:03:52

And it really has that like, oh my god.

94

: 00:03:55

Like these guys are not stopping.

And it's great.

95

: 00:03:58

The bookends thing you said because that

that happens throughout the episode.

96

: 00:04:02

It's like everything they say, like

they talk about a wet pan.

97

: 00:04:05

They do the wet pan

like as they're talking about the wet

98

: 00:04:06

pan, like, yeah, I loved it.

99

: 00:04:08

And then they you again

kind of talking about that, like,

100

: 00:04:11

when do you know

a thing is going to happen?

101

: 00:04:13

So they pull into the driveway

and he's like, you can't park.

102

: 00:04:16

We have to park down the road.

103

: 00:04:17

He's like, I'm the studio's like,

I can park here.

104

: 00:04:19

And you know, instantly

that's going to come back.

105

: 00:04:21

Yeah, it's my favorite Chekhov's gun.

106

: 00:04:23

I can't believe

I haven't said that word yet,

107

: 00:04:25

but I'm trying not to because

it's my favorite thing to say.

108

: 00:04:28

But it just,

109

: 00:04:29

you know, that's going to come back

and it's still, you know, it's 23 minutes.

110

: 00:04:32

It's so fast.

111

: 00:04:34

And I still was like giddy

when when he's like parked in the way,

112

: 00:04:38

you know, like even knowing

that that was obviously going to happen,

113

: 00:04:41

the heightening of it, it still was fun

114

: 00:04:44

even knowing like,

oh my God, this is going to happen.

115

: 00:04:48

Yeah.

116

: 00:04:48

This is like it's

an episode of of check off guns.

117

: 00:04:51

Yes, yes. Oh, Chekhov's guns.

118

: 00:04:52

Like like every single thing.

119

: 00:04:54

The mention of the rolling Stone

song, the mention of the of like of the

120

: 00:04:59

of the costume of the car keys of

121

: 00:05:02

of the of the joint of like

like the coffee.

122

: 00:05:05

Yeah. Of the coffee.

123

: 00:05:06

Like everything that is mentioned

comes back or or

124

: 00:05:10

or or is a bad choice

that makes things even worse.

125

: 00:05:13

I it's so great.

126

: 00:05:15

It's so great. It's

so efficiently written because it is.

127

: 00:05:17

Everything gets used

and it doesn't feel cheap or forced.

128

: 00:05:21

No. Yeah.

129

: 00:05:23

And it's an and you know, I'm

not familiar with like the, like,

130

: 00:05:27

you know, rather famous one.

There's like another one from Goodfellas.

131

: 00:05:29

But I also just loved

how the lack of cuts makes you sort of

132

: 00:05:35

you have to go back

133

: 00:05:36

and you have to see people's responses

134

: 00:05:38

and you have to see

what's going on in the background.

135

: 00:05:40

Because when they came back

and told him that they needed his costume

136

: 00:05:45

because the and and and there's like, oh,

there's another like, where was that guy?

137

: 00:05:50

Where was the extra who had, oh,

138

: 00:05:53

who had the same costume

or had the same wardrobe pieces on.

139

: 00:05:57

It's just like, oh my God.

140

: 00:05:58

Like everything

seems to be there for a reason.

141

: 00:06:01

And it's like it's it did

that so skillfully and so wonderfully.

142

: 00:06:05

I also, we talked again

last episode about this idea

143

: 00:06:08

of like loving the audience and like,

144

: 00:06:10

loving what you're doing, and

it feels like it's satire of Hollywood,

145

: 00:06:14

but it's also such a love and such a like,

insider knowledge.

146

: 00:06:17

Like, I feel like he really loves

the industry, even as he knows its

147

: 00:06:21

faults.

148

: 00:06:22

Or him and Evan,

I guess their co-writing team,

149

: 00:06:25

they feel like they really understand it,

but they also love it.

150

: 00:06:28

And I also feel like he really loves

and respects.

151

: 00:06:31

They love and respect

the audience, as well.

152

: 00:06:34

Like they just really trust

that you're going to pick these things up,

153

: 00:06:36

you're going to know the references,

and even if you don't, you can enjoy it.

154

: 00:06:40

Yeah. Because yeah, I love a oner.

155

: 00:06:42

And then I

156

: 00:06:42

love one of the things I like about

the studio overall is some of the quotes.

157

: 00:06:46

And one of

I love how they like skewer Oners.

158

: 00:06:49

You know, I think it's also something

like, what are they're so stupid.

159

: 00:06:54

They're just the

they're just a director jacking off

160

: 00:06:56

and making everybody else's lives

miserable.

161

: 00:06:58

And audiences

don't even care about this shit.

162

: 00:07:00

Yeah.

163

: 00:07:02

But they're doing a wonder about a oner.

164

: 00:07:04

I wrote that down, too,

because it's like the.

165

: 00:07:05

It's like the debate, because then

166

: 00:07:08

Seth Rogen comes back and says

it's a blend of artistry and technology.

167

: 00:07:12

It's it's a storytelling tool.

168

: 00:07:14

And actress

goes from confident to broken in one shot.

169

: 00:07:17

And you see him do that throughout the

170

: 00:07:21

throughout the episode.

171

: 00:07:22

And it's so smart, so smart.

172

: 00:07:25

And it just it just looks so hard to do.

173

: 00:07:27

And I love Greta Lee.

174

: 00:07:28

I was like, as I have a big crush, dogs

exist,

175

: 00:07:31

pizza exists,

this episode exists and Greta Lee exists.

176

: 00:07:34

Like those are sort of my

like top four favorite things.

177

: 00:07:37

And we get to see her do that.

178

: 00:07:38

Like, I loved that he cast

179

: 00:07:40

they cast Greta Lee because you see her

do all of these emotions.

180

: 00:07:44

You see her like turn on to be

that like to to kiss up to Matt

181

: 00:07:48

and then you see her kind of like

roll her eyes as she walks away.

182

: 00:07:51

Or like, I really is like an acting

masterclass is around.

183

: 00:07:55

Yeah.

And the trust that you all have to have.

184

: 00:07:57

And I can't imagine the pressure

because it's, you know, it is time based.

185

: 00:08:01

Like I think they recorded it over

four days.

186

: 00:08:03

So they were they did.

187

: 00:08:04

It's actually

four scenes stitched together so well.

188

: 00:08:09

Sarah Polley in the episode is like,

189

: 00:08:11

we're not doing wet

pans, we're not doing stitches.

190

: 00:08:13

The actual this actual one is for,

I believe, scenes that they.

191

: 00:08:18

So there are some wet pans.

192

: 00:08:20

There are some places where you can tell

that they've they've watched it together.

193

: 00:08:24

So they did it, I believe, over four days.

194

: 00:08:27

And they would get there at like 7 a.m.

195

: 00:08:28

rehearsal day and then like do three takes

literally at magic hour.

196

: 00:08:33

So they really were like,

I mean, it was so

197

: 00:08:36

the whole thing is wild

and it seems so fun and so stressful.

198

: 00:08:39

What if you're the sound guy

that does mess it up?

199

: 00:08:41

Or what if you're they're like. Yeah.

200

: 00:08:43

You're the actor.

201

: 00:08:44

Or like, but like the stakes are so high,

but it looks so fun and safe.

202

: 00:08:49

Like, it really made me.

203

: 00:08:50

I think it's part of why

I have this new crush on Seth Rogen,

204

: 00:08:52

because he seems like someone who made it

feel safe enough to do.

205

: 00:08:57

And I was like,

I want to work with him. Like, yeah.

206

: 00:08:59

Yeah, you know, it felt really like

they were all like, this is impossible,

207

: 00:09:03

but it's okay if we fail.

208

: 00:09:05

So just I wonder, let you finish that.

209

: 00:09:07

But what is it, like a whip

pan is when the camera goes shooting.

210

: 00:09:11

Is that is that

is that what it is? Exactly.

211

: 00:09:13

And what's the stitch?

212

: 00:09:15

Just making it look like it's seamless.

213

: 00:09:17

Oh, yeah.

214

: 00:09:18

Just putting the seams together so it

looks like a water and interrupted water.

215

: 00:09:21

Okay. Feel free to add

it. And cinematographer man it.

216

: 00:09:23

Whip pan is when the camera moves fast

enough that it looks blurry on screen.

217

: 00:09:29

A benefit of that is that you can stitch

things with other blurs, so make it blur.

218

: 00:09:34

Looks okay and it was really fun to me.

219

: 00:09:37

That took me a while.

I've watched this a lot.

220

: 00:09:39

Sarah Polley is like,

we're not doing whip pans and then goes

221

: 00:09:42

and there's like a whip pan, right?

222

: 00:09:44

And I just think that's really funny.

223

: 00:09:46

But there is also a part

where there's a stunt guy.

224

: 00:09:49

So Seth Rogan's character, Matt,

225

: 00:09:51

is there's a stunt

where he trips over the ice and it's a.

226

: 00:09:54

Oh, and he gets the bloody nose.

Yeah, yeah.

227

: 00:09:56

So there's an edit.

228

: 00:09:57

There's a I think there's a webcam there,

and then there's one,

229

: 00:10:02

like when Greta lives by the,

230

: 00:10:03

a matter by the bathroom

I think is one and there's one.

231

: 00:10:06

After they get out of the car, they follow

them from the car for quite a while.

232

: 00:10:09

There's a magnet on the car.

233

: 00:10:11

That's how they do that.

234

: 00:10:12

They like

235

: 00:10:13

there's a magnet

for the camera on the car,

236

: 00:10:15

and then they pop it off

and then, like, walk it.

237

: 00:10:17

Walk, follow. Oh, nice.

238

: 00:10:19

These are all very accurately

used words for set, walk, follow.

239

: 00:10:24

I think is.

240

: 00:10:27

Fully accurate.

241

: 00:10:28

But then there's a with pan

I think like after a little bit

242

: 00:10:31

like at the beginning as well,

I think when they start

243

: 00:10:34

talking about the costumes

so to to put it together.

244

: 00:10:36

But yeah I just it's an, it's frenetic

the whole time you can

245

: 00:10:39

you feel like you're there. It's live.

246

: 00:10:41

The stakes are real.

247

: 00:10:43

It's at magic hour.

248

: 00:10:45

Yeah. Yeah I love. It.

249

: 00:10:47

It's so amazing that they're able

to the able to stop the camera

250

: 00:10:51

moving long enough to let the tension

build up between the between

251

: 00:10:56

the characters or at least, like,

you know, between the actors.

252

: 00:10:59

And also there

there's you can see these, these shots

253

: 00:11:04

of Catherine O'Hara and, and

and I forget the other actors every play.

254

: 00:11:08

So watching Seth Rogen and going,

you can see in their faces

255

: 00:11:12

like, please don't say

which are about to say something

256

: 00:11:17

and it just keeps going back to them

and like, and you know, and Catherine

257

: 00:11:20

O'Hara has her thing where she wants

to be the head of the studio or like,

258

: 00:11:24

if she was the head of the studio,

these things would be happening.

259

: 00:11:27

And you can see her dig into him

a little bit and it makes it worse.

260

: 00:11:31

It makes his behavior worse.

261

: 00:11:33

But then, like, they're not, they try to

stop him at the same time like it is.

262

: 00:11:37

It is.

263

: 00:11:38

I mean, there's so much

there's so much happening and it's done.

264

: 00:11:42

So it's done so well.

265

: 00:11:44

And I'm actually glad it's a TV show

rather than like in a movie theater,

266

: 00:11:47

because you can go back and like

and look at it.

267

: 00:11:50

I've watched little segments. Yeah.

Everyone did, I've done that.

268

: 00:11:52

And I think you make a good point

to where it's frenetic.

269

: 00:11:55

It never stops,

but it does also breathe. Yeah.

270

: 00:11:57

So you do go into places and it rests

and you stay with them

271

: 00:12:00

and you do get to take in like Catherine

O'Hara's, you know, face in the background

272

: 00:12:04

and Sarah Polley,

like, slowly melting down,

273

: 00:12:06

but trying to be nice to Matt

because that's her boss.

274

: 00:12:08

And she wants this,

like million dollar song.

275

: 00:12:10

And, you get to, like,

take in that. Yeah.

276

: 00:12:13

There's like, yeah,

277

: 00:12:14

the other guys in the same wardrobe

and you get to release like take that in.

278

: 00:12:18

So it does, it never stops moving.

279

: 00:12:20

And also it does rest on moments.

280

: 00:12:23

Yeah. Yeah.

And like let that tension build and

281

: 00:12:26

Max character Jimmy is so funny

because he's so annoying

282

: 00:12:29

and he's unlike any exec I've ever met

because he is more insecure,

283

: 00:12:34

more outwardly,

more like apparently insecure,

284

: 00:12:37

but also unstoppable, you know,

which is very exact behavior.

285

: 00:12:40

So it's like he gives like,

oh gosh, I'm sorry.

286

: 00:12:42

Oh, like he wants to be like,

I guess that's it.

287

: 00:12:45

He wants to be liked in a way that like,

no, exactly.

288

: 00:12:47

I've worked with cares. About.

289

: 00:12:49

I've also worked in finance. So whatever.

290

: 00:12:51

But he really wants to be liked in a way

that's unfamiliar to me.

291

: 00:12:54

And sometimes I don't buy that.

292

: 00:12:57

But he's also so unstoppable.

293

: 00:12:59

So it's like he's

clearly like being cringeworthy

294

: 00:13:02

and nobody wants him there,

and he's sort of understanding it.

295

: 00:13:04

But he will not stop and he keeps going.

296

: 00:13:06

You know, I

probably should give my opinion right now.

297

: 00:13:09

They probably do want it

and I that I like

298

: 00:13:12

I like that sort of he wants to be liked

but he can't not be an exact.

299

: 00:13:16

Yeah.

300

: 00:13:16

And everyone's aware of his position

and they cater to that

301

: 00:13:20

even though they know he's missing

everything.

302

: 00:13:22

The the scene where Sarah, Sarah Polley,

303

: 00:13:25

where she leaves and she's like,

you know what?

304

: 00:13:28

It's not annoying to have you on the set,

is there?

305

: 00:13:30

One of those things slows down

and I can just imagine everyone

306

: 00:13:33

on set going, please don't say

what you're about to say, please.

307

: 00:13:36

And then she says, like, if you have

any feedback, I'd be happy to hear it.

308

: 00:13:41

Oh, it's her to say it, but she's like.

309

: 00:13:43

And then she's turning around

and then it was back.

310

: 00:13:45

And you can see Catherine her.

311

: 00:13:46

And so I going

oh my God, please don't do this.

312

: 00:13:49

And and Seth

Rogen is like, yeah, this is my cue.

313

: 00:13:55

It's pretty.

314

: 00:13:55

It's amazing.

315

: 00:13:58

And and it does lead to this.

316

: 00:14:00

Like it

does lead to these moments of truth

317

: 00:14:02

that Catherine O'Hara is saying, like,

the only reason

318

: 00:14:05

anyone is really talking to you

is because they want something from you.

319

: 00:14:07

Like, like these are the things that boy

that's in the moment.

320

: 00:14:11

It's like, you have to stop that because

you have to be aware of what's going on.

321

: 00:14:15

But he does like one of the things

that's really nice about him

322

: 00:14:18

is that there is sort of like,

a want to be artist there, like,

323

: 00:14:22

truly loves the movies and loves

that and wants

324

: 00:14:25

to be a part of making them great,

but at the same time

325

: 00:14:28

very aware of his station

and like, well, I guess I'm

326

: 00:14:33

the studio, so

327

: 00:14:34

people would love to see me

and want to take my.

328

: 00:14:37

Yeah.

329

: 00:14:38

He does play really well.

330

: 00:14:39

That idea of, false humility, right?

331

: 00:14:43

Like, oh no, no, I couldn't possibly.

332

: 00:14:44

But if you're getting a coffee,

I definitely want one, right?

333

: 00:14:46

Yeah. No, no, no, I couldn't possibly.

334

: 00:14:48

But also yes, I'm

going to do this thing in that

335

: 00:14:50

like very like apologetic but doing it

anyway while still taking up the space.

336

: 00:14:54

I think that that's

337

: 00:14:56

just so impressed in this like 20 minute

338

: 00:15:00

show,

they literally fire every gun they set up.

339

: 00:15:03

I mean, if it's like if it's set in that

episode, it goes off at some point.

340

: 00:15:07

If they pull in the driveway,

the cars in the in the way, like if he

341

: 00:15:10

if he's uncomfortable in the suit,

it happens.

342

: 00:15:13

You know, Greta Lee wants the jet.

She gets the jet.

343

: 00:15:15

If they talk about Rolling Stones,

they get the Rolling Stones wild and it.

344

: 00:15:19

I think it works in the.

345

: 00:15:20

It works perfectly and brilliantly.

346

: 00:15:22

Well, it doesn't work so well.

347

: 00:15:24

There's an honesty to it.

348

: 00:15:26

I really think they know the subject

matter that they're writing about.

349

: 00:15:30

It's true.

350

: 00:15:31

Like I think like truth in comedy.

351

: 00:15:32

Like it's it's all of that is real.

352

: 00:15:34

It feels real.

353

: 00:15:35

You feel like you're in

you're actually in a moment.

354

: 00:15:38

And so there's so much truth in it

that I think, I believe it.

355

: 00:15:44

It all felt very true to me.

356

: 00:15:46

Yeah, I don't know.

What do you think, Robby?

357

: 00:15:48

Yeah.

358

: 00:15:48

No, the

359

: 00:15:49

the thing that jumped out of her

about what she said was the,

360

: 00:15:53

as they're driving away, the,

you can't always get what you want

361

: 00:15:56

comes on, and and it's just in

362

: 00:16:00

in this particular episode,

you were just watching

363

: 00:16:03

people who know what they're doing

and who I like.

364

: 00:16:07

Even if you're not. I.

365

: 00:16:09

I did not expect to hear

you can't always get what you want,

366

: 00:16:12

but when I did,

I was like of the heavens to be praised.

367

: 00:16:15

Like, yeah, like, oh.

368

: 00:16:17

My God, this is an $800,000 song.

369

: 00:16:19

And that's the first thing

I thought of that. Yeah.

370

: 00:16:21

And and it's just like to,

371

: 00:16:24

to be able to watch people who know

what they're doing to be in on the,

372

: 00:16:28

on the joke, who are talking to you

or to be able to see something planted.

373

: 00:16:31

And then to see that thing

bloom at the end is, is is amazing.

374

: 00:16:36

It's it's like, yeah, it's a gift.

375

: 00:16:38

And I think, I think it's similar.

376

: 00:16:41

It works for me

377

: 00:16:42

some, some of the reasons it works for me

is because I think it's not pretentious.

378

: 00:16:46

And it has a love

for the audience as well.

379

: 00:16:49

So it does feel like a

we're all in this together,

380

: 00:16:51

like I'm planting something to bloom for

you as opposed to being like, I'm

381

: 00:16:55

so much smarter than you or like,

382

: 00:16:56

oh, I know so much about the industry

that you couldn't possibly understand.

383

: 00:17:00

Audience like it really.

384

: 00:17:01

I think like takes everybody

along for the ride and does so again,

385

: 00:17:05

like in a, in a joyful we're like,

it's it's satire.

386

: 00:17:09

And it's also like a love letter. Yeah.

387

: 00:17:11

And I think like that's kind of why

it works.

388

: 00:17:13

It's not trying to it's

not trying to be smart.

389

: 00:17:15

It just is like I think they set

this challenge for themselves

390

: 00:17:19

and then they like ran at it

as fast as they could.

391

: 00:17:23

And, and you can feel that

like they were like,

392

: 00:17:25

how do we we're going to make

the hardest thing.

393

: 00:17:28

Yeah.

394

: 00:17:28

And then they did it as opposed to

being like, aren't we frickin so good?

395

: 00:17:33

Yeah. And they are.

396

: 00:17:34

But I don't think that that was the goal.

397

: 00:17:36

I think the goal was doing

something impossible.

398

: 00:17:38

Yeah, yeah, I agree, it's like it lets us

in on the fun of what they're doing

399

: 00:17:42

and, and, and, and the intelligence

of what they're doing.

400

: 00:17:46

And it's just funny.

401

: 00:17:49

That you,

402

: 00:17:49

the characters are very well

written, like,

403

: 00:17:51

every character has a really unique

point of view

404

: 00:17:53

and a really like,

I know who they all are.

405

: 00:17:55

So, like, seeing Matt and Saul in the car,

I felt like they were already true

406

: 00:17:59

to themselves.

407

: 00:18:01

Yeah,

this is something that has been written

408

: 00:18:02

about a lot,

at least that I've read a lot,

409

: 00:18:04

but something that I really enjoy,

as well as Matt and Sal and many versions

410

: 00:18:09

of this show would be antagonistic

because Sal also wanted to be studio head.

411

: 00:18:13

He thought he was going to be the studio

exec, and instead Matt gets it.

412

: 00:18:16

And so it was.

413

: 00:18:17

Sal could be undermining him all the time,

and they could be fighting and

414

: 00:18:21

and instead

they're like best friends and like,

415

: 00:18:23

they're really good foils for each other.

416

: 00:18:25

Like they're very opposite

and they're very different.

417

: 00:18:27

And they have different skills

and they help each other out.

418

: 00:18:30

And like, Sal will be cruel.

419

: 00:18:32

Like, it'll be like they don't want you

here and Sara doesn't want you, you know?

420

: 00:18:35

But he's also saying the thing

that everybody needs

421

: 00:18:37

to say to Matt to get him out of there.

Yeah, yeah.

422

: 00:18:39

And there,

I really like that. That's a nice.

423

: 00:18:42

They're a team that works together,

even as they're different.

424

: 00:18:45

And they like their tension. Works

against each. Other. Yeah.

425

: 00:18:48

They fight sometimes they they like

426

: 00:18:51

say really mean and cruel things

about one another behind their back.

427

: 00:18:54

But they're ultimately like,

428

: 00:18:56

you really need to get out of here. Yeah.

429

: 00:18:58

Like they're the ones who can say

that to each other

430

: 00:19:00

based on what the relationship is. Yeah.

431

: 00:19:03

And I thought, I just I like that

you feel that in the car right away

432

: 00:19:06

to your point and like, again,

like the steering wheel acting, I do.

433

: 00:19:10

There's something about them

434

: 00:19:11

that isn't that there's something

about the steering wheel.

435

: 00:19:13

They're actually driving in that. Right?

436

: 00:19:14

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

437

: 00:19:15

Okay. That's why I. Was like,

how did they do it?

438

: 00:19:17

How did they get that?

439

: 00:19:18

They I love the behind the scenes

that keep getting posted.

440

: 00:19:22

It's just so neat as. Yeah.

441

: 00:19:24

Because yeah,

442

: 00:19:24

they're actually driving all of it's

like actually had the actual magic hour.

443

: 00:19:28

It's actual they're doing it.

444

: 00:19:31

I don't believe you about

there's only four stitches like that.

445

: 00:19:35

Seems impossible.

446

: 00:19:37

I'm 99% sure that's four.

447

: 00:19:39

I am blown away.

448

: 00:19:42

What are your relationships to like

449

: 00:19:44

Seth Rogen, body of work

450

: 00:19:47

and your preconceived

notions of the studio.

451

: 00:19:51

Before you had seen it.

452

: 00:19:52

I had no preconceived notions.

453

: 00:19:54

I just thought,

oh, it's Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg.

454

: 00:19:58

I'll watch interviews I've seen him in

455

: 00:20:01

have been, you know, have been

it's been okay.

456

: 00:20:04

But he did an episode of,

Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee,

457

: 00:20:08

and I really liked

I really liked the conversation.

458

: 00:20:11

I'm not a huge fan of Seinfeld.

459

: 00:20:13

I recognize how brilliant it is,

but I'm not like that.

460

: 00:20:16

It doesn't appeal to me in the way that,

yeah, it it does.

461

: 00:20:19

I don't gush over it.

462

: 00:20:20

That conversation.

463

: 00:20:21

You have a Jerry Seinfeld.

464

: 00:20:22

This was it was pretty amazing.

465

: 00:20:25

I think obliviousness is the thing

that people don't like when they don't

466

: 00:20:28

think you can tell you're making a joke

that is inappropriate.

467

: 00:20:32

If you know

it's something that is taboo to be saying

468

: 00:20:36

and that's folded into the recipe,

then you can say whatever. The.

469

: 00:20:40

My preconceived notion of Seth Rogen

is perhaps uninformed,

470

: 00:20:45

but a little bit like he was.

471

: 00:20:46

He's funny,

472

: 00:20:48

but and it was always his work was always

smarter than I expected it to be.

473

: 00:20:51

But it felt bro.

474

: 00:20:52

It kind of felt like not for me.

475

: 00:20:54

I also realized I had confused him

with Jonah Hill, and I think

476

: 00:20:57

because he cast Jonah Hill and stuff

and sometimes he plays in it, but

477

: 00:21:00

it also kind of sorry,

but completed the two of them in a way.

478

: 00:21:05

And so I came into it kind of being like,

this is probably going to be like

479

: 00:21:09

gross out bro humor and that's how I felt

a little bit with episode one.

480

: 00:21:13

It just was like,

oh yeah, this isn't for me.

481

: 00:21:15

It's like it's a couple of white dudes

482

: 00:21:17

writing the show that they're

going to love about a thing they love,

483

: 00:21:20

and it'll be funny and it'll be funnier

and smarter than I think it's going to be.

484

: 00:21:23

But it's like, not for me, right?

485

: 00:21:25

Or it's just not going to be real. Like,

I'm not going to love it.

486

: 00:21:28

And then, yeah, episode two for me

just changed everything.

487

: 00:21:31

Like, I really

488

: 00:21:32

I was

just so blown away and it was so smart.

489

: 00:21:35

And I love again, like, there's so many,

there's a diversity of actors, you know,

490

: 00:21:40

actors and actresses, and I like that

he cast a lot of women in this, right?

491

: 00:21:43

There's like Greta Lee,

there's Catherine O'Hara.

492

: 00:21:45

There's so much that

it doesn't feel like a bro comedy at all.

493

: 00:21:48

It actually feels like

a diverse cast of characters and.

494

: 00:21:51

How much do you notice

495

: 00:21:54

Oners in movies in general?

496

: 00:21:57

What do you feel about them

as a storyteller?

497

: 00:21:59

And I see wonders in movies.

498

: 00:22:01

I'm always

I think it's the two that I remember

499

: 00:22:05

seeing as they were going

was the one in in Goodfellas

500

: 00:22:09

and then the one in, Touch of Evil,

which is also mentioned in this episode.

501

: 00:22:14

And I'm always shocked

that I'm in the middle of it.

502

: 00:22:18

And then I'm always like,

oh, that's really cool.

503

: 00:22:20

Like, that's really it's it's really fun.

504

: 00:22:22

They can be incredibly useful

and they can be incredibly fun.

505

: 00:22:26

This one was perfect for what it conveyed.

506

: 00:22:30

I geek out about Oners, I love them,

I just heard about them

507

: 00:22:33

my entire as we've talked about

and Cole loves when I bring this up.

508

: 00:22:36

My entire love of La La Land really is

based off of the opening scene,

509

: 00:22:40

which to me felt like a oner.

510

: 00:22:41

Just that, like dancing scene

on the highway in the way that like,

511

: 00:22:44

the crane comes through

and I just I'm obsessed with that, okay?

512

: 00:22:47

And I'm obsessed with Oners.

513

: 00:22:48

I will often just try to find them

514

: 00:22:49

and watch them on their own

as a storytelling device.

515

: 00:22:54

Sometimes I think they get in the way.

516

: 00:22:55

Sometimes I think they're unnecessary.

517

: 00:22:57

I often get taken out because I'm so like,

how did they do that?

518

: 00:23:00

That's amazing.

Look at what's going on, right?

519

: 00:23:03

I don't actually I sort of split

between Matt and Sal's opinions

520

: 00:23:08

because in some ways I do think they're

just sort of a show off kind of thing.

521

: 00:23:12

And they can be cool

and it can be immersive.

522

: 00:23:16

But often

523

: 00:23:17

I think they're just sort of as,

like a director, as a creator of things.

524

: 00:23:21

I'm like, oh, I want to do that.

525

: 00:23:22

I mean, I've literally just call for like,

we're going to do a oner

526

: 00:23:26

for this hotel scene and like

that's like kind of its whole goal.

527

: 00:23:29

So it's like, I want I like that

it's like an excuse

528

: 00:23:32

to jack off of my own talent

and yeah, yeah, it's like,

529

: 00:23:36

I don't know, the audiences do care about

I geek out about them.

530

: 00:23:39

I love them, but not necessarily because

they're great storytelling devices.

531

: 00:23:42

However, it's

very much the story in this one.

532

: 00:23:46

I mean, it's just it's it's that's why

I think it's perfect because often

533

: 00:23:49

I think they are just kind of

an artistic addition.

534

: 00:23:53

Right?

535

: 00:23:53

Or like a beautiful part of a movie

or an impressive thing to pull off.

536

: 00:23:58

And here it's truly like interwoven

into the story it's telling.

537

: 00:24:01

It's part of the storytelling.

It's it's giving.

538

: 00:24:04

It's an amazing device.

539

: 00:24:05

Yeah, I would say it really depends on

what I'm just doing in a movie,

540

: 00:24:09

what purpose it's it's or what it's

function is like in Goodfellas.

541

: 00:24:13

It's, you know, it's

showing how he gets past everybody

542

: 00:24:17

but also showing him the world like, yeah,

543

: 00:24:19

how how he gets past everyone in order to,

in order to get the table

544

: 00:24:22

at the front of the stage.

545

: 00:24:25

The original idea was just like

546

: 00:24:27

how disruptive it can be at times

when studio executives

547

: 00:24:30

come to visit the set, and how much

the filmmakers often don't love it.

548

: 00:24:34

When the studio executives

come visit the set,

549

: 00:24:37

and how sad it is

for the studio executives

550

: 00:24:39

because it's genuinely

their favorite part of the job.

551

: 00:24:41

Oh, I got I saw a quick story

about the higher up coming to set.

552

: 00:24:45

Who wouldn't stay in Video Village.

553

: 00:24:46

There's a DP from the West Coast

that I have hired a few times

554

: 00:24:51

to highly technically skilled,

completely commercially pristine work.

555

: 00:24:56

Which is all just to say,

give him a $100,000

556

: 00:25:00

minimum to work on set for an hour.

557

: 00:25:02

And it'll be worth it.

558

: 00:25:03

Yes. My God, they'll deliver.

559

: 00:25:05

Yeah, but to do that,

the big thing he has to do is like,

560

: 00:25:09

look at the monitor.

561

: 00:25:10

His taste is what we're paying for.

562

: 00:25:13

Yeah.

563

: 00:25:14

And for this shoot, we had,

564

: 00:25:17

who's the guy from Hamilton who's not.

565

: 00:25:20

Leslie Odom Jr. Yes.

566

: 00:25:22

Leslie Odom. Right.

567

: 00:25:24

Yeah. Who do you think Hamilton.

568

: 00:25:27

Aaron burr.

569

: 00:25:28

Oh. All right.

570

: 00:25:29

Okay, we finally get on get him on board.

571

: 00:25:31

And the DP is like,

572

: 00:25:34

okay, we are ready to roll.

573

: 00:25:37

We roll.

574

: 00:25:38

DP seems happy.

575

: 00:25:39

DP is sitting on the couch

looking at the monitor.

576

: 00:25:42

I know like that is his job period.

577

: 00:25:45

And a higher up comes over to me.

578

: 00:25:49

He's like, hey,

I thought you had a handle on the set.

579

: 00:25:53

Like, yeah, everything is going perfectly.

580

: 00:25:56

He's like, but the DP is

581

: 00:25:59

sitting on the couch looking at a TV.

582

: 00:26:02

I don't want to say he's you're wrong and

you don't know what you're talking about.

583

: 00:26:06

Mr. Higher Up.

584

: 00:26:07

But I also don't want to be like,

throw the DP under the bus, right?

585

: 00:26:11

Yeah, yeah.

586

: 00:26:12

But I guess the point that the higher ups

587

: 00:26:13

kept coming over to be like,

hey, what are we paying this guy for?

588

: 00:26:17

And I had to go over the DP

and be like, hey,

589

: 00:26:22

I'm going to need you

just to cover my own, but

590

: 00:26:25

I'm gonna need you to go over to the

camera and pretend to use it.

591

: 00:26:29

Since it's a real thing.

592

: 00:26:31

It's like play school. Right?

593

: 00:26:34

What did he say?

594

: 00:26:35

What the fuck? Yeah. I mean, how was.

595

: 00:26:38

What else would he say?

596

: 00:26:39

Are you serious?

597

: 00:26:40

Yes, I am actually serious.

598

: 00:26:43

There is somebody who is above me

who's upset that you aren't working.

599

: 00:26:48

I know you're working.

600

: 00:26:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

601

: 00:26:50

You know you're working. I know you are.

602

: 00:26:52

Yeah, yeah.

603

: 00:26:53

Well,

you know, like the four weeks of prep

604

: 00:26:55

that we've done to get to

this point was the work.

605

: 00:26:58

But he had to like literally for tens.

606

: 00:27:02

Oh I'm panning I'm tilting it.

607

: 00:27:05

Zoom I have to zoom the camera.

608

: 00:27:08

Oh look at. Me on my computer.

609

: 00:27:10

Like using it. Oh yeah. Exactly.

610

: 00:27:13

Oh that is crazy.

611

: 00:27:16

Yeah.

612

: 00:27:16

So we had to set up a video village

to, like, keep people out who were like,

613

: 00:27:20

yeah, change the shot.

614

: 00:27:21

Or who will be like, hey, we should put

that, marijuana cigaret back in the shot.

615

: 00:27:25

Yeah.

616

: 00:27:28

You brought up references.

617

: 00:27:29

I think we both have said it

about in different ways, but we talked

618

: 00:27:32

about it about The Princess Bride,

of this idea of people bringing in stuff,

619

: 00:27:36

and it makes me feel stupid.

620

: 00:27:37

That's how I feel about the studio,

621

: 00:27:39

because I know I'm not getting

I'm not like I.

622

: 00:27:42

Was a. Film studies person.

623

: 00:27:43

Yeah. To, get everything.

624

: 00:27:46

So I know I'm missing stuff,

but I still feel okay about it

625

: 00:27:49

because it's still funny enough

without it.

626

: 00:27:51

And I think, I think you had mentioned

earlier in this episode about

627

: 00:27:56

they give examples of oners and you'd seen

some of them, but not all right.

628

: 00:28:00

And I do think it's an enjoyable

629

: 00:28:01

I think, I mean, I'm,

I, I'm a nerd about this stuff.

630

: 00:28:05

So I can't actually speak

to the common experience.

631

: 00:28:08

But it seems to me it would still be

interesting without those references.

632

: 00:28:12

I think you could still enjoy this episode

without them.

633

: 00:28:15

Yeah, I agree, I agree.

634

: 00:28:16

And and in those cases,

if you liked the episode enough,

635

: 00:28:19

you're like, oh, what is this movie

that they're talking about?

636

: 00:28:22

Like, what's this?

637

: 00:28:23

Yeah, it leads you to other stuff.

Yeah, yeah.

638

: 00:28:25

I think there's less in this episode

than some of the others.

639

: 00:28:28

I know this one feels like more processed

reference.

640

: 00:28:32

You need to know a whip like the whip pan.

641

: 00:28:34

You need to know stitching.

642

: 00:28:35

You need to know a oner,

a book and, callback.

643

: 00:28:38

You know, you need to know all these,

like, kind of terms.

644

: 00:28:41

Yeah. Announcer.

645

: 00:28:42

Enough.

646

: 00:28:43

Like, spoken like like the name

of the song or the actress who wants to.

647

: 00:28:47

Who wants to use the private jet?

648

: 00:28:48

Like, once you have those, like,

649

: 00:28:50

all those other things are referenced

within the episode themselves.

650

: 00:28:53

So it's quite. Robbie. Fun little tidbit.

651

: 00:28:56

Because I feel like you don't know this.

652

: 00:28:58

Do you know who Greta Lee is married to?

653

: 00:29:00

I don't I don't even know who.

654

: 00:29:01

God, she's the actress.

655

: 00:29:04

I don't know really.

656

: 00:29:05

Yeah, yeah.

657

: 00:29:06

Greta Lee is amazing.

658

: 00:29:07

She's, like having a killer career. What?

659

: 00:29:10

What movie scene?

660

: 00:29:11

She's in past lives.

661

: 00:29:13

Okay. Which comes up in that episode.

662

: 00:29:15

She's like, that's right.

663

: 00:29:16

Because it's an A24 film.

664

: 00:29:17

For her career,

I feel like is taking off for real.

665

: 00:29:20

But guess who she's married to?

666

: 00:29:22

Russ Armstrong.

667

: 00:29:24

No. Yeah, yeah. Oh.

668

: 00:29:27

That's amazing.

669

: 00:29:28

Yeah. It's just was like, you don't know.

670

: 00:29:29

Damn I don't. Yeah.

671

: 00:29:31

Was she an improviser?

672

: 00:29:33

Yeah, she's a comedian.

She's. She's married to Russ Arms.

673

: 00:29:37

Who is the coach of Nintendo?

674

: 00:29:39

My house. Team.

675

: 00:29:40

That's great.

676

: 00:29:40

I was a big brother

for one of his classes.

677

: 00:29:44

Yeah, yeah.

678

: 00:29:46

It was.

679

: 00:29:46

Wonder how you think of it as

a storyteller teaching people references.

680

: 00:29:51

I think you can do them broadly

enough to where if you do get them,

681

: 00:29:54

that's really great.

682

: 00:29:54

And you can, like,

take pride in knowing them.

683

: 00:29:57

And then if you don't,

it's like as long as the,

684

: 00:30:02

as long as what you're saying

or what you're doing is like enjoyable and

685

: 00:30:05

and useful within the,

within the arc of the story.

686

: 00:30:08

That's great.

687

: 00:30:09

Nothing profound to say,

but just that they're they can be fun.

688

: 00:30:14

Yeah.

689

: 00:30:14

I think not having them be a crutch,

690

: 00:30:16

because I think sometimes

it's like almost like you

691

: 00:30:18

if you don't trust your own storytelling,

you rely on so many.

692

: 00:30:21

These things are funny.

693

: 00:30:22

So if I point to these things, I'm funny

or like I'm interesting.

694

: 00:30:26

So not using it as a crutch.

695

: 00:30:27

But to your point, I think, I think

the studio does this really well, where

696

: 00:30:31

if you get it, you get it, and it's like

it's extra smart, it's like extra good.

697

: 00:30:36

You know, you get like an extra

a secret little gift,

698

: 00:30:40

but you can still enjoy it

without it. Yeah.

699

: 00:30:42

And this movie is such a fast pace

anyways.

700

: 00:30:44

Like even if you're able to get it,

you're like, oh, I see that thing.

701

: 00:30:47

Okay, now it's time for us to move on. Oh

702

: 00:30:50

no no no no no no.

703

: 00:30:53

It is not just for unquote foreshadowing,

I take it.

704

: 00:30:58

I go out for dead.

705

: 00:31:01

It's cool to get down from there.

706

: 00:31:04

Yeah, yeah.

707

: 00:31:05

We just used to know this is cool.

708

: 00:31:10

Is it?

709

: 00:31:13

Let's kick your butt together.

710

: 00:31:15

I feel like you feel me. Okay.

711

: 00:31:17

Don't feel guilty out here.

712

: 00:31:24

With.